Only real read is that UKNUCLEHEAD has been very active.. calling pre pretty lightly..
Dont really want to get it in with TT pre... what your thoughtS?
Full Tilt Poker Game #9320694538: Early Double - A (71109732), Table 27 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:34:42 ET - 2008/12/04
Seat 1: lorne medley (2,215)
Seat 2: CheckRazor87 (985)
Seat 3: Fred1403 (2,115)
Seat 4: UKNUCLEHEAD (1,815)
Seat 5: jerne88 (895)
Seat 6: Lewmano (2,805)
Seat 7: JFKING (3,230)
Seat 8: Clark Bent DK (1,645)
Seat 9: Sif3506 (3,745)
Sif3506 posts the small blind of 25
lorne medley posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Lewmano [Th Ts]
CheckRazor87 folds
Fred1403 folds
UKNUCLEHEAD has 15 seconds left to act
UKNUCLEHEAD raises to 200
jerne88 folds
Lewmano calls 200
JFKING calls 200
Clark Bent DK folds
Sif3506 folds
lorne medley has 15 seconds left to act
lorne medley raises to 1,025
Plus Team
fold.
the call behind pre is good though.
I agree with the fold..... he just was soo active.. i just smelled a weak weak squeeze.. i mean his sample was only 25 hands at this point but he was running over 55%vpip... still didnt really feel comfortable though.
Plus Team
Take a bigger edge later. I doubt many people are squeezing super light this early anyway, especially at these limits.
^^^^THIS + what he said before^^^^
the call behind pre is good though.
Justin, could you please explain this comment further. I thought you were an advocate of re-raising TT preflop. I remember in one of your vids a while back there was some debate about you 3-betting a fairly tight UTG PFR with this hand and then explaining it was because you can shrink their range and get into less tough situations postflop.
I would of raised it to 575 with pp my tt instead of just flatting. Reason why I do this is to narrow down my opponents range.Since I have position on my opponent it will be easier to play them the rest of the streets. Now if my opponent from the blinds shoves allin or 3 bets me then it makes my decision much easier.
I might be lousy gambler but I'm still in there no matter what!!!!
peace
akathephanom
em... I'll reraise as well probabaly to 600 to narrow his hand range, if I face a shove then I'll have a better idea of his hand range.
the call behind pre is good though.
Justin, could you please explain this comment further. I thought you were an advocate of re-raising TT preflop. I remember in one of your vids a while back there was some debate about you 3-betting a fairly tight UTG PFR with this hand and then explaining it was because you can shrink their range and get into less tough situations postflop.
Im certainly not Jurollo, however. Early on in a $5 tournament in this position it is a flat. The stacksizes behind are very important here and if you 3bet then you are effectively 3betting over 1/5 your stack and your hand plays horribly vs a 4bet at these limits. There are two stacks behind who you are committed to call even a 4bet and therefore you will be committing 1/3 your stack vs either of them. Flatting TT here is fine purely for set value. Do you flat 99 here? Probably treat TT almost the same.
You are very rarely winning a big pot here pre, but if you flop a set you are often winning a big pot post. This is very early on and assuming Lew has an edge over the field i think he gains more information in just flatting and trying to get a good flop then 3betting here.
This is not to say i can't see an argument for 3betting, because i can... However, we should not relate this hand specifically to the hand that Jurollo re-pops in his videa because im pretty sure that is in at least a $109 freezeout where an EP raisers range is much wider than in this case. EP raisers in a $109 vs a $5 is significantly different because in a $5 tournament i find thqat most players are limping their small pairs and sc's from EP, in a $109 they are raising their whole range.
Hope this gives some kind of explanation feel free to dispute what ive said, im interested!
Plus Team
It depends on the situation. I remember a few TT hands where I repop and both are deep in tournaments and one was a cold 4 bet in a $1k. If you point it out I can check it out but early one when everyone is pretty deep I like flatting things like Ts, Js, and Qs. Sometimes Ks and As too.
Gonna go back and look for it later when I have a little more time, but I guess your saying you don't like playing big pots early with just a pair. Probably because at the stakes your playing it's less normal for someone to stack off 100BB's or more with hands that an OP can beat.
MJW that's actually pretty good.
Found the thread:
http://www.pokersavvy.com/plus/Video-30-TT-hand-vs-GhettoFabolous
This is what you said about it, and I just remember this because as I said afterward in that thread, it was something I had kinda struggled with too.
opponents range as much as possible which usually requires raising
pre. I agree that sometimes this backfires sometimes because it
invites flats from big pairs. The big problem with hands such as TT
for me is that while they are generally good preflop they become very
tough to play postflop because more times then not you are playing with
overcards out there. It isn't like playing 66 when you know that you
are playing for a set as TT can be good at showdown by itself. For me
the best case with hands like this is to take them down preflop when
you are playing relatively short as it decreases variance quite a bit.
Against extremely tight players I may just flat in this spot but I
believe Ghetto was opening a decent range so I take this pot down a lot
here preflop as well as narrow his range postflop if it gets there
which helps me proceed from there on in. Wow, that seemed like a
ramble and it very well might be one, let me know if it was coherent
enough and I will look back at this again later.
It seems you did make that distinction about playing short in the part I bolded, as opposed to playing deeper as in the hand in question in this thread.