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shortstack shove charts?

ive been playing a decent ammount of tournaments lately but struggle when i am down to about say 12BBs and under, about which hands to shove in what position.

is there a chart available that shows unexploitable ranges/most profitable ranges for shoving depending of position and stack size realtive to the pot preflop in an unopened pot?

 

 


shortstack shove charts?

Only for HU.

 

http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15250

 

They talk about why it's more complicated when there are multiple opponents remaining aswell I believe.

 

shortstack shove charts?

Here i have a push fold chart.

Its in german but should not be a problem to understand. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UE75BY30

 

First chart: push fold if first:

the numbers in the tab are BB for early position/ mid position...

second chart:

rebound tab/ if not in the Blinds...

 

third/ fourth chart:

rebound from the blinds....

 

shortstack shove charts?

thanks epic and sosMsos

i would be intrested to hear if anyone knows how shallow you would have to be in relation to the pot before the game is solved to the point were fold/shoving is always the optimal play, and where exact shoving and calling ranges can be calculated?

also how relavant would this be to an actual tounament situation? in an old bond18 video he shoves i think w/ 64o on the button and says it was an ATC spot because he has so much FE. so judging by Bonds play even if you knew the exact optimal/unexploitable jam/fold strategy would you be giving up equity be sticking strictly to it? are ppls calling ranges so far off the unexploitable ranges they should be calling with that in low buyin MTTs knowing the unexploitable ranges would be basically worthless?

im pretty new to MTTs and think my late game needs a lot of work so any advice would be appriciated

 

shortstack shove charts?

IMO <13 BB, but some people shove even with 15BB. If you are on the BU, have a small pocket or KJ, you may want most fold ev, so people shove with 15BB instead of making a normal raise...

Its al in the charts... 

 

shortstack shove charts?

I dont like the 13 number, depending on antes it can range from like 8BB's to 13BB's... you have to figure out stack depth at your table and reference it to the upcoming structure and the type of money on the line.  What I mean by this is deep in the Million I can blind down to 8BBs because people won't call as light with all that money on the line whereas in a $10 freeze with the same structure I would want to be pushing much sooner.  I think you have to learn what works when and why it works instead of relying on charts.

 

shortstack shove charts?

jurollo wrote:
I dont like the 13 number, depending on antes it can range from like 8BB's to 13BB's... you have to figure out stack depth at your table and reference it to the upcoming structure and the type of money on the line. What I mean by this is deep in the Million I can blind down to 8BBs because people won't call as light with all that money on the line whereas in a $10 freeze with the same structure I would want to be pushing much sooner. I think you have to learn what works when and why it works instead of relying on charts.

I think this is so right. Everything is so "It Depends" in tournaments. So many different variables in each tournament that you can't just apply 1 simple answer universally.

In cash games it's mostly your hand, the board, and your opponent (not necessarily in that order).

In tournaments you have all those things + what stage your at (early, bubble, late, etc..) + structure + payout structure (top heavy, spread out more, satellite) + probably more things I'm forgeting.  

 

shortstack shove charts?

I think the charts gives good guidelines...and in general the chart is optimum for donkaments.

For mid stakes tournies you often can push lighter from late position (any two from SB). In high stakes tournaments pushing any two from SB may not be +ev anymore like it is in mid stakes...so the charts regains in value... for those IMO.

maybe you could do a vid about nuances in push fold mode, lol.

For example player #IPEN IMO really pushes way too tight.

 

shortstack shove charts?

There's a good one in Colin Moshman's SNG Strategy book. If you pmed AMA or someone like that they would porlly like and be able to answer it well for you.

 
 

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